Episode 4-Media Center vs. SageTV
by Adam Thursby on Mar.13, 2009, under Uncategorized
If you follow Tim or me on Twitter, you know we, along with a few others, have been pushing this out for a few days now. Today comes the episode I’ve been waiting to record, and I hope you’ve been waiting to hear for awhile now.
This week’s show brings together 5 HTPC users to debate the finer points of Media Center and SageTV. Joining Tim and I are Brent Evans of Geektonic, Josh Pollard, Entertainment 2.0 co-host and Cheap Geek blogger and Josh Shenkle of mnmaven.com. With Josh Pollard moderating, we go through some of the features of each system.
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Thank you to Brent, Josh and ummm Josh for joining us this week. It was a lot of fun and I hope this is something we can do again in the future!
Click here to download Episode 4.
Or listen live here:
Have you ever used another HTPC solution? If so, which one and what did you think? Comment and let us know!
March 13th, 2009 on 2:48 pm
Doing this podcast was a lot of fun. It’s amazing how fast the time went by though so it was tough to get in all of the details so if anyone notices anything on the podcast that was misstated, a point we missed, or something you disagree with, feel free to let us know in the comments.
March 13th, 2009 on 4:05 pm
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March 13th, 2009 on 5:25 pm
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1) SageTV is cheaper if you go Linux. End of argument. It doesn’t matter if you want Linux or Apple or Windows. Dollar wise it’s cheaper!
2) Regardless of MS doesn’t want to upset anyone; VMC just DOESN’T support softsled, which IS the issue here.
3) Extenders are cheaper, BUT it’s also about choice and flexibility. Everyone has a choice with SageTV, but you don’t with VMC. THAT’S the issue.
4) You assume SageTV would charge, but they haven’t charged since version 2 IIRC… So there is no guarantee they will charge for Sage 7
March 13th, 2009 on 7:25 pm
You guys talked about not wanting to take the HTPC software away from the PC. You can modify CE devices just fine. Look at all the hacks for routers. Would it be so bad if SageTV released a small x86 based CE type server running on a dual core atom with space for 4 harddrives, 6 USB ports, 2 built in HD-PVR type tuners, and an Ethernet jack all running on Linux in semi closed environment. You could still install upgrades and 3rd party software and put in more USB tuners. You pair that with the HD200. Would you be ok with something like that? Personally, i could get away from the computer if it gave me much of the same easy operation that the HD200 has over PC based clients.
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For me the main advantage of having the Sage Client (Sage Sled) is not so much that I’m able to create and extender to plug into a tv. A specialised hardware extender is great for this (though it’s nice to have the option), rather that I’m able to sit at my desktop, or notebook pc and have the full Sage TV interface running in a window alongside whatever else I’m doing. This isn’t something that you could achieve with a hardware extender.
I’d be suprised if most Sage households running extenders didn’t also have a few Sage Client or extender installs kicking about on PC’s (or Macs :)).
The lack of “Soft Sled” in MCE is difficult to comprehend and was a deal breaker for me when evaluating which htpc platform to move to post btv.
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